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I definitely would.

If he's a good influence, he's safe, he's good with the children and they all have a good relationship with him, absolutely.

They're going to need a positive male role model in their lives. This is essential for children. It doesn't have to be their father, but it sounds like this guys perfect.

Don't make your kids suffer because you're bitter. Try to be cordial with the guy. Over time it'll get easier.

My father left when my baby sister was ten months old. She doesn't remember him at all. Shortly thereafter, my stepmother married some guy named Kevin. He was a great guy, but w

I definitely would.

If he's a good influence, he's safe, he's good with the children and they all have a good relationship with him, absolutely.

They're going to need a positive male role model in their lives. This is essential for children. It doesn't have to be their father, but it sounds like this guys perfect.

Don't make your kids suffer because you're bitter. Try to be cordial with the guy. Over time it'll get easier.

My father left when my baby sister was ten months old. She doesn't remember him at all. Shortly thereafter, my stepmother married some guy named Kevin. He was a great guy, but when my sister was 5, they divorced. Kevin, however, remained my sister's father figure. She had regular visits with him, he was at every holiday and birthday, all through school, her high school graduation, her college graduation. My sister is now 25 and he's the only person she's ever called dad.

I truly wish you the best of luck. I know how hard it is.

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These are the 6 surprising things that moved the needle for me.

When I was in the thick of it, I thought I’d be forever broken.

You see, having a narcissistic parent (though I didn’t know what narcissism was at the time) had taught me not to trust anyone with my hopes, my dreams – the things that mattered to me. Sharing those things was a sure-fire way to end up feeling badly in the future.

As a teenager, I knew I had put walls up. I just didn’t know why. I didn’t see any of it clearly and instead, believed something was wrong with me. I didn’t understand that my lack of trust wasn’t the problem.

These are the 6 surprising things that moved the needle for me.

When I was in the thick of it, I thought I’d be forever broken.

You see, having a narcissistic parent (though I didn’t know what narcissism was at the time) had taught me not to trust anyone with my hopes, my dreams – the things that mattered to me. Sharing those things was a sure-fire way to end up feeling badly in the future.

As a teenager, I knew I had put walls up. I just didn’t know why. I didn’t see any of it clearly and instead, believed something was wrong with me. I didn’t understand that my lack of trust wasn’t the problem. The problem was I was surrounded by untrustworthy people. I was determined to “fix” my problem.

When I met the covert narcissist who stole my heart, he reassured me I could let down my walls, that he was different, that I could trust him. Eventually I did.

It took me decades to see the impact of this decision – the poor self-esteem, diminished self-confidence, lack of self-worth, confusion, indecision, poor sleep, physical symptoms, deteriorating relationships with others (because of behind-the-scenes triangulation and from hiding my struggles and his behavior from those I loved), financial fallout, and more – despite being an award-winning doctor and the breadwinner of our family of seven.

Even once I could see it, my trauma bond sucked me back in. It was like catching an occasional glimpse of sun through the trees.

When I left, I thought I’d solved my problem. I was wrong. Leaving was just the beginning.

You see, I still had ruminating thoughts, physical symptoms, indecision, fear of making a mistake, difficulty trusting, and perhaps worse yet – I kept attracting new narcissists into my life.

I feared this was my new normal yet was too stubborn to accept that.

Fortunately, I was right. I’m now married to a wonderful man and helping thousands of others heal from narcissistic abuse. (I can help you stop ruminating here.)

Lots of people talk about educating yourself about narcissism, no contact, and self-care. Those are wonderful, important steps. I’m going to share six surprising things that really moved the needle for me.

#1 Get really clear.

When I was in that place of confusion, of gaslighting brain, as I call it, I didn’t know what was real and what wasn’t. I thought something was wrong with me. And after I left, though the gaslighting brain cleared pretty quickly, I was terrified of making another mistake – about anything. My mind did this endless, “on the one hand, but on the other hand,” thing. It was mind-numbing.

I found the fastest way to clarity was to extract my trauma. Rather than reliving, rehashing, or reprocessing it, I released it. It was like clearing mud from the windshield — I could see so much more clearly. (Trauma extraction provides the speed of results for clients in my programs.)

Getting really clear for me meant two things. First, getting clear about where I was on the healing journey. (I now see it as 5 major steps. Completing therapy is number 3.) What works at one step may hold you back at another. This was huge.

Second, getting clear about where I wanted to be, who I wanted to be. This seems obvious, but for many where they want to be is “not here.” While that is true, it doesn’t actually help you get somewhere else. Can you imagine putting “not here” in your GPS?

Action Step: Get really clear about where you are now and where you want to be.

#2 Understand the narcissist.

It’s impossible to know where you’re going if you don’t know where you’ve been.

It’s also difficult to move forward when you don’t understand why they say and do what they do. Learning the vocab, seeing the tactics and behaviors clearly, helped me make sense of the senseless.

And more importantly, it helped me see what was mine to heal and what was theirs, so I could focus on what was important and ignore the rest.

Action Step: Learn the vocab. Come to understand the disorder. Separate their behavior from the story you’ve told yourself about yourself.

#3 Explore yourself as the survivor.

Understanding why I was chosen was so empowering. Sure, there are some characteristics –educated, successful, honest, compassionate, empathic – that I didn’t want to change. But there were others that I could. It was exhilarating to know that I was in the driver’s seat.

Really getting to know myself in this stage was key. That meant ending the distractions – good or bad – and instead sitting in a place of curiosity about what I was feeling that made me want to reach out to a friend, watch a funny movie, or even wallow in the drama. Allowing and accepting my emotions made them allies, not enemies.

Action Step: When you feel inclined to distract yourself, ask what you’re distracting yourself from?

#4 Break your trauma bond.

I’ll be honest, I thought the trauma bond made you want to stay with your abuser (and it does), but I thought once I no longer desired that relationship, it was gone. Wrong again.

What I’ve learned is the trauma bond lasts until you consciously choose to break it. Until then, it attracts new narcissists into your life, attracts new drama from the old narcissists, and keeps you stuck in old patterns.

Once you see how the trauma bond was formed, it’s possible to break it, and stop the madness for good.

(I’ll show you how to do that here.)

#5 Rewrite your subconscious scripts.

This one is huge. Each one of us survivors has subconscious beliefs – things like I’m not good enough, I’m unlovable, I don’t deserve – that the narcissist exploited, creating the trauma bond and deepening this subconscious belief.

Rewriting these scripts not only changes your trajectory of all future relationships, it changes the trajectory of your life. Do you suppose believing you’re not good enough impacts your career or believing you don’t deserve impacts your ability to set boundaries or care for yourself? You betcha.

This aspect of healing is the springboard to accelerate your success and results in anything you want to create in business, life, and relationships. The first step is to eliminate costly mistakes — detailed in my free guide here.

#6 Rise above the drama and chaos.

As you work through the list, you eventually become indifferent to the narcissist. They’re out there doing their thing, but it no longer impacts you emotionally or mentally. It no longer sucks your time, attention, and bandwidth into the swirl of drama.

At that point, you’re no longer a good source of supply and, over time, they will turn their attention elsewhere.

Final Thoughts.

Working deeply through the first 3 steps is paramount to being able to work through the final 3. That’s why there are only action steps for the first 3. If you’re a leader looking for results yesterday, I can help you from start to finish — fast and confidentially. Just DM me “I’m ready,” and let’s have a conversation.

Wherever you are, start now. The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today.

I promise the journey is worth it.

Adapted from an article originally posted on Medium.

Dr Melissa Kalt, MD an executive consultant, narcissistic abuse recovery specialist, and CEO of Sustainably You, who helps Soul-driven leaders create peak performance by transcending their past experience of narcissistic abuse through proven rapid narcissistic abuse recovery processes.

Please follow Antifragile Narcissist Survivors with Dr Melissa for insights, education, and awareness about high level healing from narcissistic abuse.

This answer is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical or legal advice. It’s a recount of how I’ve been able to help myself and others heal from narcissistic abuse and how it may help you.

Though I am a doctor, I’m not YOUR doctor. Please consult a local professional for your particular medical and legal needs and circumstances.

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Your children are 10 and 13, this man has been their father, in the flesh, involved father… for all their formative years.
You should absolutely allow his involvement for the children’s well being emotionally and mentally.

I would suggest treating this like any divorce.
I would suggest being thankful, grateful, that this man didn’t write your children off the moment he didn’t have to take care of them anymore.
Very honestly, he could have taken the approach of “Not my problem anymore”
He is not only showing them that they matter, that truly, they are loved not just because he was with you, b

Your children are 10 and 13, this man has been their father, in the flesh, involved father… for all their formative years.
You should absolutely allow his involvement for the children’s well being emotionally and mentally.

I would suggest treating this like any divorce.
I would suggest being thankful, grateful, that this man didn’t write your children off the moment he didn’t have to take care of them anymore.
Very honestly, he could have taken the approach of “Not my problem anymore”
He is not only showing them that they matter, that truly, they are loved not just because he was with you, but because he loves THEM. He’s going to continue to take care of them and be there for them in their lives, and it will matter so much.

He’s also demonstrating stand up moral qualities… is this easy? NOPE. But, he’s stepped up to the plate, he’s invested, and he’s not throwing that away, even when it’s this hard.

It’s not perfect, He’s not. Your not. But, for your kids, do not shut out the only dad they’ve really ever known, or make it difficult for him to be completely involved. You will only be hurting them.
Trust me, I’ve been there.

I’d also advise being SUPER careful with their biological father… my father was also in and out of prison… and it never went well… it did a lot of harm, even with all the therapy and support in the world.
Tread carefully, Your children’s well being should always be first and foremost.

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I don't know all the details and particulars, but if you as his ex still consider him to be your childrens’ “father figure”, I would say that's a good sign he should still be in their life, and a mature decision on your part. I also think even at their young age your children are old enough to have a say in this.

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If as you stated the ex has been around your children for 9 yrs, he is the only make figure they have known. The sperm donor is in prison, when is he getting out ? What visiting time do the children have with him ? Your children are old enough to understand the situation. So, why would you “forbid” your ex to see the children ? Are you perhaps, punishing him ?

Yes. All you need to do is enter their name here to see what dating websites or apps they are on.
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My children are 10 & 13 .

They seem old enough to at least have an opinion about whether they’d like to continue to see him, so I’d at least take their wishes into consideration.

The relationship dynamics are obviously quite complicated, but children don’t need to know that - they just need to be balanced and well-adjusted kids with enough maturity to understand and to have as much normalcy in their lives as possible.

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Yes absolutely. I built a close relationship with the seven year old daughter of a lady who was only briefly a girlfriend, although she was a friend much longer. I still meet up with the daughter once a year and we exchange Christmas presents. I even gave a speech at her wedding.

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I got curious one night, and I did Google myself. All the search results I found were wrong, except for this 1 site that had EVERYTHING about me.

When I typed my name into TruthFinder, it was a completely different story! It showed my social media accounts, contact details and more - and it was all accurate!

I was SHOCKED how much of my information came up! I can't say I loved it either :-/

I did see a few other sites doing something similar, but TruthFinder was the easiest and gave the most accurate information. I was able to search for nearly anyone in the United States by name, phone number, a

I got curious one night, and I did Google myself. All the search results I found were wrong, except for this 1 site that had EVERYTHING about me.

When I typed my name into TruthFinder, it was a completely different story! It showed my social media accounts, contact details and more - and it was all accurate!

I was SHOCKED how much of my information came up! I can't say I loved it either :-/

I did see a few other sites doing something similar, but TruthFinder was the easiest and gave the most accurate information. I was able to search for nearly anyone in the United States by name, phone number, address, email address.

What did TruthFinder show?

  • Full Name, Address, Phone Number
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  • Dating Profiles, Social Media, & More!

Who knew the deep web had so much for anyone to see!?!?

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It all depends on how everyone feels about it and how the relationship ended. If it ended bitterly, then it is not a good idea. If you and your boyfriend are willing to put your differences aside and support the continued relationship, then it would be worthwhile to consider. If it is a go, then it is probably a good idea to first sit down with the kids alone and discuss the matter. Sometimes kids will fight the idea of continuing the relationship if they feel abandonment. So allow them to air their worries or concerns about continuing as well as the pluses. If they are on board to continue, t

It all depends on how everyone feels about it and how the relationship ended. If it ended bitterly, then it is not a good idea. If you and your boyfriend are willing to put your differences aside and support the continued relationship, then it would be worthwhile to consider. If it is a go, then it is probably a good idea to first sit down with the kids alone and discuss the matter. Sometimes kids will fight the idea of continuing the relationship if they feel abandonment. So allow them to air their worries or concerns about continuing as well as the pluses. If they are on board to continue, then the four of you should meet and work out a feasible plan. Determine availability, including frequency, days and time while keeping in mind everyone’s practical lifestyle/reality to commit. Schedule it as you would any activity and write it down where everyone has access to it, as for example, a kitchen calendar. As far as prison dad, it might best to wait until they are 18 so they can make that decision for and by themselves.

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if he’s a good man, and kind and cares for them…then use your judgement, but maybe he is actually trying to be a good guy…? If he is a good man, that I would.

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Where do I start?

I’m a huge financial nerd, and have spent an embarrassing amount of time talking to people about their money habits.

Here are the biggest mistakes people are making and how to fix them:

Not having a separate high interest savings account

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Ask your kids. If your kids and your ex boyfriend (a normal human being) want to see each other than of course you should let them. You involved this person in their life for 9 years and they see him as a father figure. I'm sure you were happy that he was there for them and they actually cared for him so now I'm not sure how much of a right you have to take that father figure away from your kids. It's like snatching part of their life away from them and telling them it never happened but it did and it for because he was there.

Often times I see this becoming an issue when the mother wants to mo

Ask your kids. If your kids and your ex boyfriend (a normal human being) want to see each other than of course you should let them. You involved this person in their life for 9 years and they see him as a father figure. I'm sure you were happy that he was there for them and they actually cared for him so now I'm not sure how much of a right you have to take that father figure away from your kids. It's like snatching part of their life away from them and telling them it never happened but it did and it for because he was there.

Often times I see this becoming an issue when the mother wants to move on to another relationship but the ex boyfriend still being present in her kids' life makes the new person jealous. At that point you would need to assess your priorities and think what's more important to you. Is it more important that you have that person as your boyfriend or is it important that your kid's stay happy?

If your ex boyfriend isn't a normal human being and would hurt the kids than that's another story and I would keep them away from him.

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I get what you're saying but apparently some people don't have reading comprehension. What you're saying is that you're wondering if you're overreacting by feeling that it's wrong for your boyfriend to spend time at his ex-wife's house. I don't feel that you're overreacting by being upset.

You're not controlling whether he sees his kids, you're asking that he set appropriate boundaries with his ex-wife. I can't understand why people are thinking that you're trying to control when he sees his kids. He can visit with his children without his ex-wife needing to be there.

I think that you should tal

I get what you're saying but apparently some people don't have reading comprehension. What you're saying is that you're wondering if you're overreacting by feeling that it's wrong for your boyfriend to spend time at his ex-wife's house. I don't feel that you're overreacting by being upset.

You're not controlling whether he sees his kids, you're asking that he set appropriate boundaries with his ex-wife. I can't understand why people are thinking that you're trying to control when he sees his kids. He can visit with his children without his ex-wife needing to be there.

I think that you should talk to him and if he brushes off your concerns or continues to spend time in her house under the guise of it being best for the kids then I would reconsider their relationship because he obviously does not respect you or the relationship. That would make it crystal clear to me that he still has emotional ties to his ex-wife whether he wants to admit it or not.

You're not wrong honey, you're just expecting him to set appropriate boundaries and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sorry that all these people are tearing you down. I know exactly how you feel, my now EX refuse to set boundaries with his ex-wife and manipulated the hell out of him and I was tired of suffering for it because he wouldn't grow a backbone and stand up to her.

Instead of going back to court to have the judge enforce the visitation schedule that she was not abiding by, he just lay back and let her walk all over him and I was tired of it. She was constantly texting him about stuff that had nothing to do with their kids and he was allowing it.

The last straw for me was when I found out that she had spent the night in his house. It doesn't matter that he lives with his parents, he could have left after his kids fell asleep and came back before they woke up. There was absolutely no reason for them to spend the night in the house together.

I also told him that I was tired of him allowing his family to undermine our relationship and disrespect me by allowing stuff like that. I found out that his mom actually asked his ex-wife to spend the night. He claimed that he told them that it was inappropriate but I don't know what actually happened because I wasn't there. Either way I'm done. So I understand exactly what you're saying and you're not wrong. Hugs.

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Yes. And let me tell you why through my own experience. I had been in a relationship and while it didn’t work out with my ex, she had a daughter who became close to me and started to see me as her father figure from a young age.

You can certainly work things out with the mother if you can both be mature adults about it. If not for either of you, you should both agree do it for the child. Yes, there will be times where you’ll be frustrated with the mother but those will pass.

While you have absolutely no obligation to be there and you don’t have to be there. Let me first say that if you do, it wi

Yes. And let me tell you why through my own experience. I had been in a relationship and while it didn’t work out with my ex, she had a daughter who became close to me and started to see me as her father figure from a young age.

You can certainly work things out with the mother if you can both be mature adults about it. If not for either of you, you should both agree do it for the child. Yes, there will be times where you’ll be frustrated with the mother but those will pass.

While you have absolutely no obligation to be there and you don’t have to be there. Let me first say that if you do, it will be one of the most rewarding experiences in life. You will be the person who that child will look up to and learn from. You will get to show that child how to ride a bike for the first time, help them with school, teach he or she to swim, spend Christmases and Easter together, birthday parties, father/daughter dances, theme parks and so many more great fatherly experiences. Seeing the smile, happiness and content in a child as they grow is one of the most rewarding and fulfilling things you can do as a human being.

Let me be clear about something here.

For those reading this part. If you are going to start a relationship with a woman who has a child, you’d better man up, because your life is about to change. For the better. If you are going into this relationship thinking about sex with the mother and that’s all it is to you, then you are a living, walking, breathing caveman fool with no empathy or brain. You will be missing out on something more than just sex or silly boy high school drama games. Kids don’t get it like we adults can and it does effect them if you are flimsy and flaky to the mother. Also a good mother will not let you in if she thinks you are one of those kinds of people. But if you can see past all that, and are willing to give it a chance, this relationship will make you grow and mature as a person and as a man.

I was never married, never had kids before I started my relationship with a woman who had a child. Some men are afraid of this. I was a little at first. But I thought why not. I took the step. And from my own personal experience, It was probably one of the best things I ever did in life.

Now she has grown into an amazing, beautiful, confident, intelligent, focused young women. She sees security, safety, balance and consistency in me. And it makes me proud as a father figure to see her succeed and achieve in life.

I never had my own child with another woman. But I sense I don’t need to and I feel like I have been the luckiest man in the world to have been given this gift and experience from god.

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Schizophrenia cannot be “caught.”

Most people with schizophrenia are not violent.

People with schizophrenia, much like other people, can love and cherish children.

At the best, a psychiatric facility can be very isolating. People in it can get lonely.

Either your ex will recover or not. In either case, if he is a danger neither to himself or to others, he will someday have to leave the facility. Reminding him about the outside is a necessity.

If you inform the children that their father has an illness, and that this is neither his fault nor theirs, then you can feel free to let them visit.

In a way,

Schizophrenia cannot be “caught.”

Most people with schizophrenia are not violent.

People with schizophrenia, much like other people, can love and cherish children.

At the best, a psychiatric facility can be very isolating. People in it can get lonely.

Either your ex will recover or not. In either case, if he is a danger neither to himself or to others, he will someday have to leave the facility. Reminding him about the outside is a necessity.

If you inform the children that their father has an illness, and that this is neither his fault nor theirs, then you can feel free to let them visit.

In a way, this is like the question about how babies are born. You know the facts, and you can tell them enough to suit their age. Too much information would bore them.

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He's effectively been the only father your children have known. I think that your children are old enough that their opinion should matter. I'd suggest discussing it with them. Explain that you and "Mr X" are no longer together but that shouldn't necessarily mean that they have to lose him too.

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To your children, he is their dad. To your ex-boyfriend, they are his kids. Ask the kids how they feel. If they want to continue seeing him and he wants to continue seeing them, then let them so long as there is no danger involved. You can work out how to start including their birth father into the picture, but if you just summarily break off contact with your ex, you are hurting your kids.

Thanks for the A2A Sandra Centeno

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Civil and functional. It doesn't have to be close or friendly.

My son's father and I split because he treated me horribly. I didnt dwell on his behavior and how it made me feel though. I chose to focus on the fact that we're responsible for a child who needs us to raise him and provide him with love and stability. Its also our responsibility to be examples of maturity and cooperation. We always speak to one another with respect and calmly discuss, with the focus on what is best for our son and his future, what he needs us to do for him. That doesn't mean that we don't still push buttons, but we

Civil and functional. It doesn't have to be close or friendly.

My son's father and I split because he treated me horribly. I didnt dwell on his behavior and how it made me feel though. I chose to focus on the fact that we're responsible for a child who needs us to raise him and provide him with love and stability. Its also our responsibility to be examples of maturity and cooperation. We always speak to one another with respect and calmly discuss, with the focus on what is best for our son and his future, what he needs us to do for him. That doesn't mean that we don't still push buttons, but we choose to push feelings aside and focus on raising a well balanced, fulfilled young man. I remind my son that his father and I do talk outside of what he sees. We're a united front and we do discuss whats going on with him as far as his behavior and growth.

He apologized for his past behavior and I accepted his apology so there are no lingering feelings of injustice or betrayal. I personally don't believe in child support because I believe we BOTH should be able to care for our son independently in the event something happens to the other parent or their livelihood. That also motivates me to continue to make strides in my career. And it shields my household from unexpected changes just because his Dad decided to make career changes that affect his income.

We don't spend time together outside of our son's events, we don't have conversations about our personal business, we don't call or text one another all hours of the night. We are gracious when plans change and if we can help one another out. I occasionally buy gifts for my son's sister because she's a great kid and she loves unicorns. We have a civil working partnership.

There is a lot of trust at play as well. We don't have a visitation/custody order. His Dad gets him each weekend during the school year and a portion of each vacation. During the Summer vacation he is with me on weekends and with Dad during the week. I dont bother Dad about their plans, what hes eating, or his female companions. I know his Dad wants the best for him as much as I do. He doesn't do it exactly as I do, but that's better for my son to have different experiences. Dads parent differently but that's not a bad thing. I dont drive myself crazy trying to force his Dad to do what I do when my son is with him.

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For ten years - ten formative, significant, instrumental years - my father was married to a woman who insisted we were family.

When they broke up, I barely ever saw her again.

Today, I understand the complexities inherent in a contentious divorce. But back then I felt hurt, perplexed, abandoned, betrayed and used.

I felt she had built a relationship with me to be closer to him.

If you were in this kid’s life for seven years, my assumption is that you are an important figure in his life. Even if he already has a dad (I don’t know if this is the case) kids need more people to love them and be there

For ten years - ten formative, significant, instrumental years - my father was married to a woman who insisted we were family.

When they broke up, I barely ever saw her again.

Today, I understand the complexities inherent in a contentious divorce. But back then I felt hurt, perplexed, abandoned, betrayed and used.

I felt she had built a relationship with me to be closer to him.

If you were in this kid’s life for seven years, my assumption is that you are an important figure in his life. Even if he already has a dad (I don’t know if this is the case) kids need more people to love them and be there for them, not less.

Mothers need as much support as they can get.

Talk to your ex. Be really clear. “This did not work out between us, but your son is really important to me and I would like to be in his life”.

Then, “I understand being in his life means I will be in yours too, in a different capacity.”

Decide together exactly what being in his life looks like, right down to the logistics. (Evenings together? Weekly visits? Once a month? Once a year?)

Be prepared to keep all the commitments you make, even as your own life changes, as you fall in love with someone else, when you maybe decide to have kids of your own.

You will be building something priceless, both for him and for you. Life is turbulent and unpredictable, and family is often the one thing you can count on.

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If he was their father figure for 9 years i Would let “Uncle Jerry” continue to see the kids.

That should have no bearing on the bio dad wanting a relationship with them. When bio dad gets out of prison he may resist Uncle Jerry’s presence though.

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No doubt. If you were close to the kids, they will miss you, but trying to maintain contact will be destructive in the long run. For one thing, you will be having frequent contact with the ex, which you probably don’t want. There are bound to be disagreements as to HOW you teach them, allow them to do or have things that the ex doesn’t agree with. You should at least be honest with them. Tell them that you enjoyed being in their lives very much, but things have changed, and it would just be uncomfortable to continue as you were.” I would also tell them that if they ever need anything, if there

No doubt. If you were close to the kids, they will miss you, but trying to maintain contact will be destructive in the long run. For one thing, you will be having frequent contact with the ex, which you probably don’t want. There are bound to be disagreements as to HOW you teach them, allow them to do or have things that the ex doesn’t agree with. You should at least be honest with them. Tell them that you enjoyed being in their lives very much, but things have changed, and it would just be uncomfortable to continue as you were.” I would also tell them that if they ever need anything, if there is any emergency they can certainly call you up. And also, you will be around when they are legally an adult and can make their own decisions. If they do call you, be true to your word. Talk to them. But, I think you will find that since you are not around all the time, their contact with you will start to fade out. It is painful, it is sad, but they really will get over it.

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If the father has NPD and is not getting help*, you must do what you can to keep them away from him. They will be scarred very deeply and it will stay with them for the rest of their lives. Nobody can hurt a child as much as the very person who is supposed to love, cherish and protect them, but chooses to hurt, disappoint, intimidate them and break them down. So whether it be the father, the grandparents or any other family member with NPD, there’s nothing that makes it right or justifiable. In fact, being related to them will only cause more damage to your children. The closer they get, the m

If the father has NPD and is not getting help*, you must do what you can to keep them away from him. They will be scarred very deeply and it will stay with them for the rest of their lives. Nobody can hurt a child as much as the very person who is supposed to love, cherish and protect them, but chooses to hurt, disappoint, intimidate them and break them down. So whether it be the father, the grandparents or any other family member with NPD, there’s nothing that makes it right or justifiable. In fact, being related to them will only cause more damage to your children. The closer they get, the more hurt and damage they cause.

You need to ask yourself:

Would you ever willingly send your children to spend time alone with a person who is a very negative influence on them, who will break down their self-confidence and even frighten them into doing and saying exactly what he wants?

Would you send your children to a person who would hurt them to hurt you and to get back at you?

Would you want someone to get your children to start trusting him, promising them things like a holiday together, a new bike, a nice meal, only to pull the carpet from under their feet?

Would you want anyone to pit your children against each other just to enjoy that kind of power over them, getting them to divulge “info” about the other that they would normally not have told this person? He would know what upsets them most, and would do it time and again, laughing at their “over-reaction”.

Would you send your children to someone who would use this knowledge or info to manipulate and use against them? If they are scared of the dark, he’d leave no lights on. If they love a certain game or TV series, he’d make sure they don’t have access to it.

Would you send your children to a person who will find them an inconvenience and may ignore them completely while having friends or girlfriends over, most probably drinking too much and not keeping an eye on them at all?

Would you want any one of your children to feel unloved and worthless because the father would shamelessly favor one child - often just to frustrate or punish the other? And as soon as the “favorite” is feeling too safe or is enjoying this too much, the father will do a 180º turn and favor the other, shattering this child who has no idea what he/she did wrong.

Would you really want to send your children to a person who would never put them first, who will resent having to spend money on them, who will only use them to present a certain front to others? E.g. when trying to win over his next partner, he will become the poor, loving dad whose ex-wife turned the kids against him, who’d do anything for them, who’s missing them every day, but as soon as she is out of sight, or as soon as he realizes she doesn’t really like children, all of this will fly out the window, and his children will simply again become the unpleasant burden they are to him.

You can be 100% sure that the older the children get, the further the emotional abuse will go.

I was forced by law to send my children there every second weekend. It was like sending them right into the lion’s den. If they had to spend two nights and two days there, it usually took at least two days for them to settle down and feel strong enough to go back to school. Especially the youngest, who was more vulnerable. It was awful, and if I had any choice, it would never have happened. I fought tooth and nail, and in the end, our rather basic social services recommended a gradual reintroduction to their father, with a third person present - someone the children trusted.

But their father was a lawyer, he knew how to sway the social workers, he lied about this third (trusted) person, and after ignoring the children for so long, he suddenly insisted on seeing them every second week. Because he knew how that would hurt me. If they refused to get into his car, he would threaten them with the police, even though they were only 6 and 9 years old. He would promise to let them phone me if they couldn’t sleep or were crying, but once they were in his apartment, he refused to let them call me. If the youngest was crying non-stop until day 2, he’d come and drop her off. Most probably because the neighbors would start asking questions, or perhaps because he had a girlfriend over who felt sorry for her.

* Regular therapy that proves he is willing to change - this hardly ever happens, but when it does, it’s usually children or strong enough love that will motivate the person to go for lifelong therapy. But don’t hold your breath. Wait for at least 6 months of therapy before considering that he may be serious about this. And insist on seeing the therapist too, just to make sure he has not taken the therapist or psychologist for a ride.

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First you need to understand their motivation. They don’t give a damn about you or the child, and never have. But, they looking down the road to a time when they may need the child to do something for them, so they want to have a relationship with the child when that need arises, because they will go to the child and try to shame the child into doing whatever the father needs the child to do. It’s purely a selfish interest. But right now they see the child as a useless liability that only costs them child support money.

The child will always be better served away from the father’s negative infl

First you need to understand their motivation. They don’t give a damn about you or the child, and never have. But, they looking down the road to a time when they may need the child to do something for them, so they want to have a relationship with the child when that need arises, because they will go to the child and try to shame the child into doing whatever the father needs the child to do. It’s purely a selfish interest. But right now they see the child as a useless liability that only costs them child support money.

The child will always be better served away from the father’s negative influence, so keep the child away from him as much as possible. That shouldn’t be difficult in the early years, because the father is self-centered and doesn’t want any parental responsibility.

Raise the child to be, think, and live positively. Also teach the child to be wary of negative people!

Good Luck!

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Boy oh Boy this is a really tricky question and it is very close to my heart. So on one hand I want to say yes of course BUT at the end of the day we need to think about what is best for the children as well as yourself. Personally I have been in your shoes my ex has 4 children, 1 of which I raised from 5 days old till 9 months, she was my princess. My ex and I had a really terrible split that ended in me getting a restraining order against him…. My biggest fear is what would this mean for me and the relationships that I had formed with his kids. They called me mom and if anyone ever asked who

Boy oh Boy this is a really tricky question and it is very close to my heart. So on one hand I want to say yes of course BUT at the end of the day we need to think about what is best for the children as well as yourself. Personally I have been in your shoes my ex has 4 children, 1 of which I raised from 5 days old till 9 months, she was my princess. My ex and I had a really terrible split that ended in me getting a restraining order against him…. My biggest fear is what would this mean for me and the relationships that I had formed with his kids. They called me mom and if anyone ever asked who they were they were MINE! So this was not an easy break up for me. I still have a relationship with the kids, however I have nothing to do with their father as he is a monster. The only reason I am able to have this relationship with the kids still is their birth mother, she is the one who realized that the kids were all really attached to me and that it would be in the best interest of the kids to keep a strong female role model in their life rather than making them go through the break up too. It takes a big women to understand how important and other woman is to her kids, and an even bigger women to allow that relationship to continue even though I really have nothing to do with their lives anymore. So bottom line is if it is in the children's best interest for you to stay in their lives then stay, but if it will cause more problems then make a clean break for their sake.

I feel like no one is really understanding your question, sorry. Perhaps it was irrelevant to include the child support bit but I don't think you meant any harm in mentioning it. I am going through the same thing myself with a father who does not see his daughter simply because he has no interest in doing so. He even lived in the same apartment complex as us for years and only chose to see her a couple times a month and for a short while. He knows that he is free to see his child whenever he wants but he simply chooses not to. I assume your situation is similar, not sure why everyone who answe

I feel like no one is really understanding your question, sorry. Perhaps it was irrelevant to include the child support bit but I don't think you meant any harm in mentioning it. I am going through the same thing myself with a father who does not see his daughter simply because he has no interest in doing so. He even lived in the same apartment complex as us for years and only chose to see her a couple times a month and for a short while. He knows that he is free to see his child whenever he wants but he simply chooses not to. I assume your situation is similar, not sure why everyone who answered is choosing to blame you for somehow withholding visitation. Did your situation ever improve? I am wondering too if it is better for my kid to see her father very rarely (it's now been a month since he's seen her, he expresses little interest in visiting and when he does he acts like it's a chore) or not at all. A relationship with both parents is ideal but when one parent is absent for much of their lives, does it do more harm than good to drop into their lives whenever they feel like it (which is usually hardly at all)?

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First all she will have to allow you to continue the relationship. If she will then set a visitation schedule just like divorced parents do.

My ex and I were together 6 years and had his 3 boys living with us when they were 13, 14 and 15 years old. When we broke up they were 21, 22 and 23. At first I bowed out and stopped calling them because I didn’t want them to be uncomfortable, but the 21 year old called me one day and said that he missed me and just because you aren’t with my Dad doesn’t mean you aren’t still my step mom.

Even later that year when their Dad married, the boys refused to call

First all she will have to allow you to continue the relationship. If she will then set a visitation schedule just like divorced parents do.

My ex and I were together 6 years and had his 3 boys living with us when they were 13, 14 and 15 years old. When we broke up they were 21, 22 and 23. At first I bowed out and stopped calling them because I didn’t want them to be uncomfortable, but the 21 year old called me one day and said that he missed me and just because you aren’t with my Dad doesn’t mean you aren’t still my step mom.

Even later that year when their Dad married, the boys refused to call her their step mom, they call her “Dad’s wife”. Now that they are 27, 28 and 29, we still talk and visit each other. It takes effort but the love I get from them these boys is definitely worth it!

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No. Keep children away from narcissistic parents or grandparents. These creatures will turn your own children against you. They will even go out of their way to destroy the tight bond that you have with your children. They enjoy triangulation which is nothing more but drama and confusion in a particular situation that the narcissist initiates. They will even play victim in all of the drama to look like the innocent one. Narcissists see kids as nothing more but pawns who are used in their sick games. The narcissist will push everyone out of their lives including their own children. The only rea

No. Keep children away from narcissistic parents or grandparents. These creatures will turn your own children against you. They will even go out of their way to destroy the tight bond that you have with your children. They enjoy triangulation which is nothing more but drama and confusion in a particular situation that the narcissist initiates. They will even play victim in all of the drama to look like the innocent one. Narcissists see kids as nothing more but pawns who are used in their sick games. The narcissist will push everyone out of their lives including their own children. The only reason why a narcissist mom/dad will want to see the kids is to use this as a hoovering technique over the other parent. I know this is difficult because there are kids involved. Narcissists don’t care to understand that when they create kids from these fake love relationships and marriages that they are conning the wife, the kids, and the in-laws too. Narcissists are frauds and big pretenders that see dating, marriage, and family as fun and games and nothing serious. Narcissists plan to live within the moment and never for the future.

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I know you want to stay in this child’s life and I commend you for it.

I would encourage you to have a talk with the child’s mother and see what can be arranged.

It may or may not turn out well. You’d probably hate yourself if you don’t try but if you’re going to commit, commit. Otherwise… Don’t.

For myself, a woman broke up with me and still wanted me involved in her child’s life. I suspect it was a financial decision, as I could afford to buy the child I still think of as my daughter the occasional summer wardrobe and provide some free babysitting and a few luxuries. I didn’t care. I loved that

I know you want to stay in this child’s life and I commend you for it.

I would encourage you to have a talk with the child’s mother and see what can be arranged.

It may or may not turn out well. You’d probably hate yourself if you don’t try but if you’re going to commit, commit. Otherwise… Don’t.

For myself, a woman broke up with me and still wanted me involved in her child’s life. I suspect it was a financial decision, as I could afford to buy the child I still think of as my daughter the occasional summer wardrobe and provide some free babysitting and a few luxuries. I didn’t care. I loved that little girl — had been a parent to her from the time she was two years old. Her mother left when the child was seven.

I stayed involved in the child’s life (considered her my daughter) through a somewhat troubled adolescence to an even more troubled young adulthood. My spouse and I even offered her and her boyfriend to live with us to get back on their feet after a terrible tragedy.

During the time they lived with us, my spouse and I at one point wanted to talk to her about some things, and I had commented that we had allowed her to live with us because she was family, but some things where going on where she really wasn’t behaving like family. Her response was, “I have no family.”

After a bit of this and that, and finding out some significant deception going on my spouse and I had a talk and we gave them back the rent money they’ paid us and asked them to please leave.

I cannot say I felt good about that. I lost a child I thought was a daughter, but didn’t see herself that way.

I would have hated myself for not trying to help, but I do wake at night wondering if I really did more harm than good by trying to be a parent to her.

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I don’t think anyone should have ever been in the position to be your ex unless you loved their kids as well. I don’t understand people who think that they can somehow make it work with someone, when they think they can remain indifferent towards their children, Before I aver loved my ex, I decided that I had to decide whether or not I could love her son. I had to have a relationship with him as w

I don’t think anyone should have ever been in the position to be your ex unless you loved their kids as well. I don’t understand people who think that they can somehow make it work with someone, when they think they can remain indifferent towards their children, Before I aver loved my ex, I decided that I had to decide whether or not I could love her son. I had to have a relationship with him as well as with her. I did.

He was five at the time. He is now thirty-seven. His mother and I are no longer married and haven't been for 8 years. But we were married for 24 years. As he grew up, I helped coach his baseball and his basketball teams. I wasn’t living vicariously. I never interfered in his life or his friends. But I still developed relationships with those people as well. They all became young men. who I have s...

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Fathers don’t “visit” their children.

And if the kids live primarily with you, it’s not your house alone. It’s theirs too.

Good parents do everything they can to promote the role of the other parent.

We have strong results from longitudinal research that simply being around and spending time with the “other parent” makes a big difference in kids growing up to be happy and successful. This applies even if the father sits and watches wrestling and makes their lunch late and forgets to pay child support.

Seriously, you’ll “look like a good parent” by welcoming Dad (and Grandma, and yes, even Dad’s ne

Fathers don’t “visit” their children.

And if the kids live primarily with you, it’s not your house alone. It’s theirs too.

Good parents do everything they can to promote the role of the other parent.

We have strong results from longitudinal research that simply being around and spending time with the “other parent” makes a big difference in kids growing up to be happy and successful. This applies even if the father sits and watches wrestling and makes their lunch late and forgets to pay child support.

Seriously, you’ll “look like a good parent” by welcoming Dad (and Grandma, and yes, even Dad’s new partner when Dad wants her to share in parenting.)

The three basic criteria custody evaluators and judges normally apply when assessing “good parenting” are these:

  1. Nurturance. (Keeping the kids well fed, physically and emotionally, and safe, and healthy, and loved.) Nurturance includes promoting other parental figures (the other parent, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and new partners) who can add to the nurturing.
  2. Teaching. School, yes, but teaching by example the more important lessons about how to get along with others in a kind and caring way. What are you teaching you kids by not promoting their father’s and other relatives’ role in their lives?
  3. Co-parenting. Are you doing everything possible to promote and facilitate Dad’s role in care and decision-making and taking responsibility, removing barriers and obstacles, and frequently reminding your kids of the importance of their father and his love for them?
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Does he contribute to her childhood? I mean does he buy food, diapers, clothes, and help keep a roof over her head? If so, run some boundaries by him. By boundaries I'm suggesting you tell him:

  1. Do not show up tweaked out of your mind. If he does show up really high, he will not be allowed in (if at your place) or you'll leave (if anywhere else). You don't mean he can't have that morning fix, that's what addicts do. But if he's scratching/picking, pacing, and looking out the window constantly, it's better off she doesn't see daddy that way.
  2. The FIRST time a meeting is set up and he misses yet is

Does he contribute to her childhood? I mean does he buy food, diapers, clothes, and help keep a roof over her head? If so, run some boundaries by him. By boundaries I'm suggesting you tell him:

  1. Do not show up tweaked out of your mind. If he does show up really high, he will not be allowed in (if at your place) or you'll leave (if anywhere else). You don't mean he can't have that morning fix, that's what addicts do. But if he's scratching/picking, pacing, and looking out the window constantly, it's better off she doesn't see daddy that way.
  2. The FIRST time a meeting is set up and he misses yet is NOT in the ER, there will be repercussions. You decide these, whether it's a week of not seeing her, a month, or if you charge him for his missed appointment like a doctor or therapist, it's your call.
  3. There will be ZERO drug use while he's seeing her. No tolerance either. One fuckup here, and it's over!
  4. There will be no sales or hussling related to his drugs. Now isn't the time for that bullshit, as it's daughter-time. One fuckup here also ends the agreement.
  5. These are just examples! I was in the same boat as you with my son's mom. We were both heavy drug users (I favored heroin and also did lots of meth, she favored meth and also did lots of heroin). We split up when our son was 4. He's 17 now and I've been clean for the past 4 years almost. She has never even tried to sober up. She don't even call him for his birthday and didn't call him this Christmas or New Years. He graduates this year, but she'd have no idea. Even though she's always been a POS like this, she's never been kept from her kid. I only do this for my son. If it were up to me, she wouldn't even exist. She may as well not exist, as she doesn't help with any child support, no clothes, toys/gifts, or food. I still never stopped her from seeing her son. I never want my son to grow up and say “You never let me see mom!” I have always allowed it and he knows it wasn't my fault she's never in his life. I only suggest these “rules & regulations” because if he actually abides by your rules, he really does love his daughter. Then you should let him see her, even if you can't stand him, because it'll really be for your daughter's benefit. Good luck in these hard, nearly impossible, decisions you'll be making as a single mother of your daughter. It's tough, but you're gonna be great!
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I'm not a parent, but my youngest brother was 12 when my parents separated.

My Dad was emotionally abusive, he's not narcissistic or a sociopath, but he's been diagnosed with OCPD, and for all I know he has other disorders. My brother was greatly affected by this abuse, to the extent that he was suicidal at 11 and has been diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder.

After we moved away, Dad asked if he could send some presents (for the anniversary actually - completely manipulative) to the two brothers that came with my Mom. Although she very much did not want to accept anything from him, she knew

I'm not a parent, but my youngest brother was 12 when my parents separated.

My Dad was emotionally abusive, he's not narcissistic or a sociopath, but he's been diagnosed with OCPD, and for all I know he has other disorders. My brother was greatly affected by this abuse, to the extent that he was suicidal at 11 and has been diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder.

After we moved away, Dad asked if he could send some presents (for the anniversary actually - completely manipulative) to the two brothers that came with my Mom. Although she very much did not want to accept anything from him, she knew she couldn't force her decision on my 12 and 14 year old siblings. So she asked them.

Both of them immediately said they want absolutely no contact with Dad. They actually were a lot angrier than that.

He also tried to get custody at some point, but again, they both completely refused to even allow him visiting rights. They knew he was abusive and they didn't want to let him keep doing that.

My advice would be to ask your son what he thinks. Kids are smart, they can usually tell if someone's bad news or not. If he says no, then there you go, problem solved.

If he says yes, then make sure you're comfortable with the idea. As the adult, you get ultimate veto power. Consider how he treated your son in the past. How he treated other children. How he treated animals. It can be hard, but try to think about things logically, not emotionally.

If you're worried he might hurt your son, whether physically or emotionally, that's a red flag.

See what your parents and close friends think, as long as they know about the situation. They'll be inclined to protect you and your son.

If your son says yes and if you don't think it's a bad idea, you might also consider setting boundaries. I.e., always have the interaction in a public place. Prepare for him not showing up, and you would help your son deal with that. Have a time limit. Make sure your son is comfortable talking to you if he ever feels uncomfortable about something. Make sure he knows he can talk to you about anything. And if ever you notice he starts acting reluctant to go visit your ex, maybe it's time to reevaluate.

I don't have any personal experience with narcissists or sociopaths, but I hope this is somewhat helpful!

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This man may not be their biological father, but for all practical purposes he has been the only father figure your children have had. The final decision decision is not yours, but your children’s. I’m will to be even though you broke up with him they would like a relationship with him because as I said, he’s the only dad they’ve ever had.

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I see that you expanded on your previous question.

After one solo visit to our dad once I was off to college, my then-teen brother basically decided he wasn’t going there anymore. There had been a move due to remarriage (and without that move and remarriage my mom and brother would have been homeless due to finances), so it wasn’t quite as easy as driving an hour to get to his place. Our dad didn’t fuss then, but 30 years later is quite irksome about it *to me*, a person who had nothing to do with it.

Our dad continued his neglect, with it culminating in introducing our younger brother as his ol

I see that you expanded on your previous question.

After one solo visit to our dad once I was off to college, my then-teen brother basically decided he wasn’t going there anymore. There had been a move due to remarriage (and without that move and remarriage my mom and brother would have been homeless due to finances), so it wasn’t quite as easy as driving an hour to get to his place. Our dad didn’t fuss then, but 30 years later is quite irksome about it *to me*, a person who had nothing to do with it.

Our dad continued his neglect, with it culminating in introducing our younger brother as his oldest son. At my wedding. In front of people who knew my brother.

So, my brother made the right call back then. If our mom had brought him to the airport he would have left. If she had put him on the plane he would have gotten off. If he got across the country he would have gotten back on a plane going home. If someone had forced him to be there, he would have sat and read a book the whole visit (which is basically what he did on the one visit, while our dad yelled at our siblings).

So in that sort of situation, listen to your child. Believe them.

And if the other adult has also checked out…well, they’ll neglect the kid anyway.

My son only figured out that what his dad was doing was very very wrong just before he turned 18. He walks a line of wanting to leave the relationship behind but he’s as “pollyanna”ish as I was…very “tomorrow is another day” and “the sun will come out tomorrow” sort of personality. So he gives lots of chances. If he made a decision and told his dad, I would respect that. His dad knows what he’s been up to. But again, my son only realized this just before he became an adult, so I don’t have experience with a younger child doing this.

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Here’s a broad outline and some steps.

Establish paternity.

  1. This means filing in the state and county where the child lives. Google the phone number of the “county courthouse clerk” for that county. Ask them what forms to file to start a paternity action. Ask where to get them.
  2. If you are low income, also ask if there is a form to waive any filing costs.
  3. Get the forms.
  4. Fill them out. Be 100% truthful. These are court documents, so lying on them is perjury (jail and a big fine).
  5. Take the forms back to the clerk. Ask for the help you need, but do what you can. Those clerks are busy, but they are usual

Here’s a broad outline and some steps.

Establish paternity.

  1. This means filing in the state and county where the child lives. Google the phone number of the “county courthouse clerk” for that county. Ask them what forms to file to start a paternity action. Ask where to get them.
  2. If you are low income, also ask if there is a form to waive any filing costs.
  3. Get the forms.
  4. Fill them out. Be 100% truthful. These are court documents, so lying on them is perjury (jail and a big fine).
  5. Take the forms back to the clerk. Ask for the help you need, but do what you can. Those clerks are busy, but they are usually very helpful and smart. They can’t give legal advice, but they can tell you what to copy and what to file.
  6. Mail a big packet by registered mail to “serve” the documents to your ex.
  7. Make a court date.
  8. Show up for the court date. Bring whatever you’re supposed to.
  9. Tell the judge the truth and what you are asking. Always show everyone respect in court.
  10. Follow the judge’s instructions.
  11. If the judge orders the DNA test, get the test and wait for the results.

If you turn out to be the father, file for visitation

The steps are pretty much the same. It’s another set of court documents.

You can expect that the court will approve visitation unless someone says you are quite dangerous. If someone says that, the court will decide if it is true. Then different things can happen.

If you turn out to be the father, be prepared to pay child support

While you are filing for visitation, she might be filing for child support. Just be ready and remember that it improves your child’s life. Yes, you write her name on the checks, but it’s child support, not ex-girlfriend support.

In the end,

I hope this information helps.

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Your child psychologist is a douche. Immediately seek another one. That's ridiculous advice. Not only are you doing the job of 2 parents, you are supposed to be the puppeteer of a second parent, as well? Unrealistic, overwhelming, and assumes your child will have the intelligence of a 5 yr old for her entire childhood.

Leave the dad situation. It's very tough, and it may be hard for your daugh

Your child psychologist is a douche. Immediately seek another one. That's ridiculous advice. Not only are you doing the job of 2 parents, you are supposed to be the puppeteer of a second parent, as well? Unrealistic, overwhelming, and assumes your child will have the intelligence of a 5 yr old for her entire childhood.

Leave the dad situation. It's very tough, and it may be hard for your daughter, but she'll be fine, and so will you. She may already suspect something. You don't want her building a false relationship with him in her head - then what happens if she has expectations of a real relationship, with real demands, as she gets older, which he (of course) will fail to meet. The older she gets, the worse exposing the painful truth of the relationship lie will be. Her dad isn't Santa - this isn't a harmless lie. She needs to know the truth, so she can set the boundaries and expectations of her world accordingly.

Do NOT go back to him, especially if you think he's a douche. Is that who you want parenting your daughter, and the relationship role model you want her to pattern all future relationships after? She will seek a partner like her father, unless she learns to move past his failings and not see them as a commentary on her worthiness to be loved or a personal failing of hers.

Unfortunately, you've got a heavy burden ahead of you, and I say this as the child of a single mother. It's not easy. There's no one to pass off the responsibility so you can just get away, no bad cop to your good cop. This is why it is crucial that you preserve trust as the foundation of your relationship with your daughter. You will fail. You cannot be everywhere at the same time. You will fight. You will both say things you regret. You will not have someone who is a natural ally of both of you to smooth things out or act as a mediator at these times - this is, in my opinion, the hardest thing about single parenting. Trust is what will bring you back...

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Take daddy to court, first of all, to establish paternity and child support. This is for your baby’s sake.

Second of all, you can’t force a relationship on the father. Sometimes this is just their first reaction, a panic reaction, and they change their minds once the panic abates. Sometimes they don’t. This is not necessarily a bad thing, because you don’t need someone like that around your child.

Third, be strong! You are a mama now, and single, and it’s tough—take it from one who knows. You need to set the example for your child, and show them as they grow, that it doesn’t matter if the sperm

Take daddy to court, first of all, to establish paternity and child support. This is for your baby’s sake.

Second of all, you can’t force a relationship on the father. Sometimes this is just their first reaction, a panic reaction, and they change their minds once the panic abates. Sometimes they don’t. This is not necessarily a bad thing, because you don’t need someone like that around your child.

Third, be strong! You are a mama now, and single, and it’s tough—take it from one who knows. You need to set the example for your child, and show them as they grow, that it doesn’t matter if the sperm donor isn’t there, because Mom’s love is enough.

Later, when your child starts asking, keep it simple. Say something like, being a parent is a big responsibility, and your father just wasn’t ready to take on the job. He never met you, or he’d have loved you just as much as I do, because you are one awesome kid.

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It takes a village to raise a child, I’m sure you’ve heard that before? Befriend the ex, she was stepmom to his daughter for more than half her life, he’s doing a wonderful thing keeping his ex in his daughter’s life because the daughter and stepmom obviously care about one another.

Make sure you are as good a stepmom to that little girl as his ex was, an even better stepmom would be even better. If the daughter feels excluded by you and if the dad feels you are excluding her you could very quickly find yourself as the next ex stepmom.

I’m guessing that you knew he had a daughter going into the

It takes a village to raise a child, I’m sure you’ve heard that before? Befriend the ex, she was stepmom to his daughter for more than half her life, he’s doing a wonderful thing keeping his ex in his daughter’s life because the daughter and stepmom obviously care about one another.

Make sure you are as good a stepmom to that little girl as his ex was, an even better stepmom would be even better. If the daughter feels excluded by you and if the dad feels you are excluding her you could very quickly find yourself as the next ex stepmom.

I’m guessing that you knew he had a daughter going into the relationship with him and she will always remain his baby. The overwhelming love you feel for your baby, he’s felt that for both of them. There are several ex’s who he might still care about because they either gave birth to his child or they were a wonderful step parent to her, get to know her, see what advice she can give you, she knows the daughter and him better than you do. The best case scenario is that you become a big happy family together.

Just to explain why I’m saying this, my parents divorced when I was 4, my dad immediately married a woman who didn’t like us, his children. My mom married a man when I was 8 and he loved us like we were his own children right from the start. I call both dads my dad and loved my stepdad a little more because he chose to parent us even though we weren’t his. I was an adult when my real dad and step mother divorced, I love their child, my half sister with all my heart, she’s my baby sister but her mom is more like a distant aquaintance that I’m friendly when I interact with her but I know she actively excluded us from having a relationship with our dad (and don’t think my dad was any better, he didn’t let people know that he had 3 children from a previous relationship, I found that out when I went as a surprise guest to his 50th birthday party and someone asked me if i was my little sister’s nanny) for most of our lives. Our parents divorce threw us kids and our mom into poverty while her money let them live in Beverly Hills and Pebble Beach and this was in the late 60’s/early 70’s. Going to visit them was like going to visit Disneyland and the memory still stings when as a kid, at a party another kid asked me who my parents were and I pointed to them and said that’s my mom and dad, my step mother overheard me and made a point of saying that she was not my mother because she wasn’t old enough to be my mother (my mom and dad were only a couple of years older than she was. My mom and dad (stepdad) on the other hand, accepted our half siblings like my baby sister and her children into our family. They love her as much as any of us.

All that was just to say, even if you don’t think it’s obvious that you don’t want that daughter around, she’s going to know and if you really do feel that there should only be room in your life for your partner and your baby, and that’s not fair to her, in fact it cruel. You might want to consider she was there before you and your baby, and if the relationship doesn’t work out with her dad, your attitude towards her will always bother her and you’ll be in her mind and those who love her, a not very nice ex step mother.

As one mom to another you know that the boundless love that you feel for your child can extend to her too, don’t you? She needs you to love her just as much as her own mom and dad love her, maybe even more (like her ex step mom does.)

Be the person who she can call mom.

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Before we got together my husband was in a relationship with someone and they had twin boys together. I think the relationship ended because she got upset with him, broke up with him, and during the breakup we met and started dating. He could’ve tried to get back with her but he made a choice and they never got back together. She became mad and resentful that he’d walk away from the relationship and tried to make like he was walking away from his kids too. Just because a man doesn’t want to be with a woman does NOT mean that he’s giving up his children. She let it be known she was going to do

Before we got together my husband was in a relationship with someone and they had twin boys together. I think the relationship ended because she got upset with him, broke up with him, and during the breakup we met and started dating. He could’ve tried to get back with her but he made a choice and they never got back together. She became mad and resentful that he’d walk away from the relationship and tried to make like he was walking away from his kids too. Just because a man doesn’t want to be with a woman does NOT mean that he’s giving up his children. She let it be known she was going to do whatever she needed to make it hard for him to see them. She even said their boys would love her more than him because she’s the mother.

She would only let him see their kids at her house. The kids weren’t allowed at my house at all, not even after we started living together. After we got engaged, she didn’t let him see them for five months. So, my husband took her to court. She was PISSED when she got served. Now my husband has joint physical and legal custody of his kids and she can’t refuse to let him see them.

So the answer is yes, an ex boyfriend can still be involved with his children. It’s better if he doesn’t have to go to court to get his rights as a father recognized. It’s better when Mom and Dad recognize that their kids have the right to know and be with both parents.

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I don't think you're serving your daughters best interest by giving her gifts and saying they're from daddy. I have two exes and they're each deadbeats in their own ways. My first ex never bought birthday or Christmas gifts, she said that what she paid in child support was more than enough. For awhile I did what you did, enabled this bad behavior by saying gifts I bought were from her. After a few years I gave that up. I started opening birthday gifts in the morning so the kids knew they were only from me and after she dealt with them asking why she never bought gifts, she started buying them.

I don't think you're serving your daughters best interest by giving her gifts and saying they're from daddy. I have two exes and they're each deadbeats in their own ways. My first ex never bought birthday or Christmas gifts, she said that what she paid in child support was more than enough. For awhile I did what you did, enabled this bad behavior by saying gifts I bought were from her. After a few years I gave that up. I started opening birthday gifts in the morning so the kids knew they were only from me and after she dealt with them asking why she never bought gifts, she started buying them.

When my second split happened I tried really hard to keep things fair and balanced and I talked about EVERYTHING I did with my daughters therapist before I did it. After months I realized that I wasn't helping my daughter I was confusing her. So, I just got honest about things. I realized that my baseline for parenting is honest communication whenever possible and I was doubting my ability as a parent more and more as I just blindly followed the therapists advice. Advice can only guide you as you draw your own map.

When my youngest talks about my ex's mistress who is now her partner I want to say really awful things about her. I used to say 'As long as she's good and kind to you that's all that matters.' Now I say nothing. I just smile at the story and think about other things. That feels more genuine.

I think your relationship with your daughter is what you should focus on. Be honest to a degree, don't enable bad behavior. Let your ex focus on his relationship with his daughter because in the end their relationship is forever and should have very little to do with you.

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Are the children YOUR children with another man rather than your ex, or is your ex the father of the children. If he is the children’s father, he definitely would want to see them and he should. If he is not the children’s father, how long was he with you and with the children? He may be very attached to the children even if he is not their biological father, and the children may be very attached to him? Good for him for not abandoning the children. When a breakup happens and a father or step-father disappears from a child’s life, it can be devastating for the child. It sounds like his intenti

Are the children YOUR children with another man rather than your ex, or is your ex the father of the children. If he is the children’s father, he definitely would want to see them and he should. If he is not the children’s father, how long was he with you and with the children? He may be very attached to the children even if he is not their biological father, and the children may be very attached to him? Good for him for not abandoning the children. When a breakup happens and a father or step-father disappears from a child’s life, it can be devastating for the child. It sounds like his intentions are to keep a strong relationship with the children. I don’t think his purpose is to torment you. I’m sorry that you are hurt and want him back, but this is not just all about you. Put your children’s wellbeing first and support the relationship between the ex and the children. You may see it as “torment” but the children likely do not.

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Do not interfere in his relationship with his children.

My sister had a child with a boyfriend who rarely visited or contacted. She allowed the contact from the beginning. My niece began to recognize his ‘failure to father’ around age eight.

The kids realize and recognize it on their own. But as their mom, your job is to be supportive, not an obstacle. Right now, they don’t know he’s a bad guy. They just know he’s their father. If you interfere, you become the bad guy instead.

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I can't ever picture a man who has a child saying this, especially a balanced adult. However, there are people who say this out of anger, and or frustration, and though it sucks to hear, it doesn't make what he's saying okay. Most likely this will come back to haunt him one day. If he’s saying his new girlfriend is a priority to you and not his child, he’s mostly likely trying to hurt you directly

I can't ever picture a man who has a child saying this, especially a balanced adult. However, there are people who say this out of anger, and or frustration, and though it sucks to hear, it doesn't make what he's saying okay. Most likely this will come back to haunt him one day. If he’s saying his new girlfriend is a priority to you and not his child, he’s mostly likely trying to hurt you directly, and unfortunately for your child, he/she is getting caught in the crosshairs by default.

My question to you is why would he be so angry at you to say something so careless?

I ask this question because I’ve dated ALOT in my time, and it’s never one sided when it comes to drama. There is always two. The way you’ve phrased your question is not explaining the build up. Basically, you’re giving us the end end result in your question…Anyway, just know that there’s people out there in the real world that use some common sense and ask, where is his lack of respect towards you, his anger, and his carelessness with words coming from.

What part have you played in the relationship failing? Does he also acknowledge any of his failures? he’s basically viewing you as an opponent now instead of the mother of his child. In human nature people don’t usually view someone of your importance “the baby mother” as an enemy unless they perceive you as a threat, or someone who’s caused them a lot of pain. And before you think I’m taking his side here, you wouldn’t even want to know how I’d be talking to him through this platform either… Unfortunately for you, you’re the one who posted this question, so I only have you to engage with.

I’ve worked directly hundreds if not thousands of times with divorced parents, broken up mothers and fathers, and I’ve always held both accountable, but truth be told in the end I could give two shits about the parents really, it’s the kids that matter. They didn’t ask to be born here.

Being a child and youth counsellor I work with hundreds of kids throughout the year. I mostly work with young offenders and or children who come from single parent homes.

Let me be clear, you should never, ever, shut out a father out of child’s life, ever. The repercussions in doing so has an enormous lasting impact that will affect the child’s life in doing so. There are a few reasons to deny access to a child’s life as a parent and this would be; abuse and or addictions. If either of these two issues are present, then access should be removed but never permanently. Only until that person receives the help needed, and access would then have to structured through legal courts.

If you feel like he’s being a jerk and just being a bad human being, then these reasons alone are not good enough to deny access, but if you want nothing more to do with the father of your child and want to make it business only technically speaking, then just go through the courts and make it a structered shared access/visitation anyway. He will learn one way or another that he has a lifelong responsibility to his child.

Men are not sperm donors for women to just get pregnant and if things don’t work out you no longer need them, and your kids don’t either. After birth, men play a tremendous and vastly important role in a child’s life, whether you want to believe it or not. Don’t let your ego or personal feelings for a man you once loved interfere with your child’s emotional and physical growth.

Where I live in Canada no court on the planet will ever disallow a father visitation or custody rights for their children. If he’s saying hurtful things to you and there’s no possibility for any civility between the two of you, then like I mentioned before, it’s time for family court.

I’ll leave you with this also…

95% of the single mothers who I’ve worked with who are proud, headstrong, and are very clear about not needing a man in their life, more importantly the father of their child, a few different things happen 95% of the...

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Is having a great relationship with my daughter's dad who is my ex weird? I have no resentment towards my ex and we actually have a great relationship I am not at all attracted to him or have no desire to ever be together. when we converse I enjoy his company and even enjoy a few laughs together and make sure I keep co-parenting boundaries but I feel like other people might find it strange that we have such a good relationship. I only want what's best for my daughter and having a healthy relationship with her dad is of utmost importance. I would like to add that we are both very good looking p

Is having a great relationship with my daughter's dad who is my ex weird? I have no resentment towards my ex and we actually have a great relationship I am not at all attracted to him or have no desire to ever be together. when we converse I enjoy his company and even enjoy a few laughs together and make sure I keep co-parenting boundaries but I feel like other people might find it strange that we have such a good relationship. I only want what's best for my daughter and having a healthy relationship with her dad is of utmost importance. I would like to add that we are both very good looking people so I'm not sure if that might be why I think people might find our relationship strange. He usually wants to hide our conversations from his girlfriend who he has been dating for years because he wants no problems and wants to keep our conversations a secret from our daughter because he is afraid she might tell his girlfriend. he does not call my daughter directly to my phone and seems to call his mother or my mother in order to talk to our daughter. when we are around each other with his family or mine he seems to be himself but when it comes to his girlfriend knowing we around each other or communicating he does not seem to be himself? is our relationship wrong or strange? how do normal people have relationships with the father/mother of their child? I do not believe or agree with having "secret conversations" especially because it is only about our daughter.

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He's unable to bear the responsibility of taking care of u and the baby. Cos the modern economy BARELY facilitates basic biological subsistence for 1 working adult. BARELY. I'm 62 years old and de facto retired. I need only studio flat for me and my wife but I need to get 2 BHK cos some lil cousins aged 35 working 12 hour shifts for 6 days a week barely makes enough money and needs to bubi with me now and then on intervals. These are hard working 35 year olds with kids and businesses.

World economy after 2008 is increasingly in crash mode. So guys and girls are going to be focused less on matte

He's unable to bear the responsibility of taking care of u and the baby. Cos the modern economy BARELY facilitates basic biological subsistence for 1 working adult. BARELY. I'm 62 years old and de facto retired. I need only studio flat for me and my wife but I need to get 2 BHK cos some lil cousins aged 35 working 12 hour shifts for 6 days a week barely makes enough money and needs to bubi with me now and then on intervals. These are hard working 35 year olds with kids and businesses.

World economy after 2008 is increasingly in crash mode. So guys and girls are going to be focused less on matters of family , bromance, romance etc and more on cold hard survival.

Ur husband / partner prolly did a calculation as to his wage and increased costs after childbirth and lost his mind.

FIVE of my 28–35 year old cousins said if my family didn't practice Marxist Leninist culture in the household, they would have abandoned their wife's and kids. See I made my surplus in my 20s and 30s in better times. So I have surplus. And in Marx culture when u have surplus and ur cousins, friends etc don't , ur kinda obliged to pick up their bill and I do this which is why my cousins haven't done what ur husband did.

I wish I was ur boyfriends father. I'd offer to keep the baby for 10 years till both u gopniks stabilize in life. I'd be happy if u did in 5 years though 😆.

But to answer ur question, the state of the world economy and it's impact on ur husband / partner is why he behaved the way he did. He needed someone to hold his hand. He can't ask u but he can ask me or my comrades. But that Marx culture is not there in USA homes so it's hard.

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